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Feb 16th 2021, 06:09 PM   #1
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Philomath,OR

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
Best radar detector?

All, I havenít felt the need for a radar detector in several decades, however a recent change in commute and location has provoked me to reconsider.
I have a 45 mile commute, mainly on a popular mountainous highway with a fair amount of traffic.
Many many places for cops to hide such as passing lanes, corners, hills, etc.
Whatís the best thing out there right now?
With lasers, are they even worth having any more?
Personal experience/research only please. We can all make assumptions.
I will most likely be transferring the unit among several vehicles, including the bike...so bluetooth connectivity with my Sena is very beneficial.
Thanks all!
Feb 16th 2021, 06:12 PM   #2
 mjh937's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

  Yamaha FZ-07
I am also curious about this, but I suspect lasers make the detectors ineffective. I will sit back and prepare to be educated
Feb 16th 2021, 08:39 PM   #3
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
Radar Roy's advice..

https://www.radarbusters.com/Choose-...tor-s/2396.htm

no need to read..

Feb 16th 2021, 09:43 PM   #4
 
  Jan 2016
  Gig Harbor

  BMW F650GS / BMW R12R
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Originally Posted by mjh937
I am also curious about this, but I suspect lasers make the detectors ineffective. I will sit back and prepare to be educated
I wouldn't consider myself to be a particularly knowledgeable resource on speed lasers, but I've read that it's not very easy for a traffic officer to "light up" a motorcycle with a laser due to the fact that there is not much reflective surface area to work with. That sounds sensible to me. It seems like the officer would have to land the beam on either the headlight, the rider's helmet, or perhaps the windscreen (if the bike has one) to get a reflected signal. That would not be easy to do from the distance they typically use for traffic enforcement. Of course, one could (unintentionally, of course) move your bike back and forth a bit within your lane to make it even more challenging.

I've had an Adaptive TPX radar/laser detector on my bike for six or seven years. It's waterproof, so an external case is not necessary. It also has a handy external LED module that I've mounted on top of the instrument cluster; this LED is very bright even in daylight, and it's easy to see in peripheral vision. The detector has a couple of sensitivity settings to avoid being too obnoxious due to weak or false signals.

This detector has never indicated a laser "ping" even while riding past officers who were clearly using a laser speed gun. That suggests that either: 1) the laser detector is worthless, or 2) the officer didn't hit the detector with the beam. Guessing that the headlight might be their preferred target, I have the detector mounted immediately adjacent to the headlight.

I don't ride at excessive speeds on highways but often find it too painful to obey a 35 or 40 mph limit on nice second/third-gear roads. The detector has saved me a few times in those settings when the friendly deputy sheriff was driving along and constantly running their radar. Of course, if they run with radar off and then trigger the instant-on setting once you're in sight, they've got you.
Feb 17th 2021, 04:38 AM   #5
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  Sep 2018
  Lacey

  Indian Roadmaster
For the most part, detectors won't help you. With the old school radars, they send out a wide constant beam, and it could help if you get the extra overflow signal while it's being aimed at another car. That'll give you time.

Most of the current radars/lidars are set up for sight acquisition. That means the officer SEES the fast vehicle, estimates the speeds, and confirms with the detection device. So by the time you get the reading, it's too late. Especially with the current generation of moving radars, that can be activated on the fly. The lidar is even more exact, as the beam is only about the size of a manhole cover at 3/4 mile, and has a scope. They see you, then get the reading within a second. Even with very little reflective surface.

Best bet? Slow down. If you do speed, go just a little over, hopefully at a rate the officer either won't bother with, or feel like a warning is sufficient. If you do get pulled over, be polite and apologetic. Tell him/her it won't happen again. Lame excuses like "I gotta pee" don't work, they see right through those.
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Edited by Mack on Feb 17th 2021 at 04:43 AM
Feb 17th 2021, 07:18 PM   #6
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Philomath,OR

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mack
For the most part, detectors won't help you. With the old school radars, they send out a wide constant beam, and it could help if you get the extra overflow signal while it's being aimed at another car. That'll give you time.

Most of the current radars/lidars are set up for sight acquisition. That means the officer SEES the fast vehicle, estimates the speeds, and confirms with the detection device. So by the time you get the reading, it's too late. Especially with the current generation of moving radars, that can be activated on the fly. The lidar is even more exact, as the beam is only about the size of a manhole cover at 3/4 mile, and has a scope. They see you, then get the reading within a second. Even with very little reflective surface.

Best bet? Slow down. If you do speed, go just a little over, hopefully at a rate the officer either won't bother with, or feel like a warning is sufficient. If you do get pulled over, be polite and apologetic. Tell him/her it won't happen again. Lame excuses like "I gotta pee" don't work, they see right through those.

Yet the price of radar detector has gons through the roof.
I suspect you are correct, but I have to ask around to get a concensus.
Thank you.
Feb 17th 2021, 10:03 PM   #7
 Willow's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM,
Sorry, but I have to disagree with Mack.

I still use an older Escort 9500ix, with the HARD system. I think radars still work just fine, and I use mine all the time when I ride, and in my car on trips. I don't use it for around town stuff. Yes, LEO's can still get you in different ways, but if you use it smart, your chances of getting a ticket go way down. I'll take the better odds with a radar rather than without.

Mine has saved me a ton of times, and still does. No, I don't go out and ride like an wild man (well, maybe a little ), but you have to ride smart. There's places to speed and places not too. But if you are speeding in places that are more patrolled, then it's better to have better odds with a radar detector. Yes, I have gotten "One" ticket with the radar....... it can happen.

I would still recommend using a radar. If you ride a sportbike and always do the speed limit, then you would be a minority.

Paying for a good one, IMHO, pays for it's self in the long run if you ride a lot and/or ride a lot of miles. If you're a around town kind rider, then no, it's not worth it.

Ride safe and ticket free

Edit: I just reread your post. I would definitely get a radar with a 45 minute commute. If you just cruise with the cars, then no. Mine is older, and believe it or not, the laser has saved me specifically twice on Hwy 16 here on the peninsula. Just remember, a radar detector doesn't give a free pass to speed and not get a ticket..........

Edited by Willow on Feb 17th 2021 at 10:12 PM
Feb 18th 2021, 04:18 AM   #8
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  Sep 2018
  Lacey

  Indian Roadmaster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willow
Sorry, but I have to disagree with Mack.

I still use an older Escort 9500ix, with the HARD system. I think radars still work just fine, and I use mine all the time when I ride, and in my car on trips. I don't use it for around town stuff. Yes, LEO's can still get you in different ways, but if you use it smart, your chances of getting a ticket go way down. I'll take the better odds with a radar rather than without.

Mine has saved me a ton of times, and still does. No, I don't go out and ride like an wild man (well, maybe a little ), but you have to ride smart. There's places to speed and places not too. But if you are speeding in places that are more patrolled, then it's better to have better odds with a radar detector. Yes, I have gotten "One" ticket with the radar....... it can happen.

I would still recommend using a radar. If you ride a sportbike and always do the speed limit, then you would be a minority.

Paying for a good one, IMHO, pays for it's self in the long run if you ride a lot and/or ride a lot of miles. If you're a around town kind rider, then no, it's not worth it.

Ride safe and ticket free

Edit: I just reread your post. I would definitely get a radar with a 45 minute commute. If you just cruise with the cars, then no. Mine is older, and believe it or not, the laser has saved me specifically twice on Hwy 16 here on the peninsula. Just remember, a radar detector doesn't give a free pass to speed and not get a ticket..........
I didn't mean to imply they won't work, sorry if that sentiment came across. Just speaking from my knowledge and experience on both sides of the radar gun.

They MIGHT help, in certain circumstances, and sounds like they may have benefited you. There is a possibility that if you got the signal, and immediately slowed before a follow up reading by the officer, they may have decided not to pull you over. Who knows?

One thing I DO know for certain is that radar detectors won't help if they're getting your speed by aircraft.
Feb 18th 2021, 04:24 AM   #9
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Philomath,OR

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
Brad,
That is what I’ve been wondering about. If you’re running with other traffic, I would think the beams bouncing off the other vehicles might hit your detector giving you a moments notice.
However Mack above is saying the laser put out such a narrow beam for such a short period of time that you’re unlikely to see any benefit. If the detectors were cheap it would be a no-brainer....but they top of the line units are twice what it would cost me to hire a lawyer to hopefully get me out of a ticket...and that approach has been pretty reliable for the few tickets I have received.
A lot to consider.
Feb 22nd 2021, 10:29 AM   #10
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
I also run an Escort 9500 and it has saved me multiple times.
The scenario that it seems to work best with is when I am riding a two-lane road and a cop is coming the other direction.
Sometimes cops will roll with their radar on and just sort of troll for speeders coming the other way.
Laziness and easy to detect with a detector in time to slow down.
This is when that Escort really works well.
Of course you have to be looking at it or able to hear it so you need either a screamer or some indicator on your dash or in your helmet, which makes installation kind of tricky.
But I have also benefited from just having it stuck to my handlebars with no HARD or anything and it has saved me.
Radar does not work in traffic, obviously, yet the detector will still tell you there's a cop in the area so it is still a help.
I have had it detect lasers as well, but the utility is harder to determine against lasers.
I don't think the cops have any problem at all lighting up a bike with a laser because the beam oscillates - it "paints" a pretty big swath or beam and that beam reflects very nicely off that shiny metallic headlight nacelle on the front of your bike as well as that 1200cc 4-cylinder lump of iron you carry around.
Is a radar detector worth it?
Hell yeah.
One missed ticket - that's all it takes to pay for itself.
Of course there are also riding strategies that will reduce your risk of tickets.
Don't be the guy out front of the pack.
Don't go fast on the straights. That one took a while for me to learn.
I love fast curves so i go fast on the curves.
But going 120 on I5 or down a 2 mile straight is kind of lame.
Ride sane on the straights and haul ass on the curves.
Seems reasonable.
Feb 22nd 2021, 01:59 PM   #11
 
  Jul 2016
  tigard

  2013 Ninja 1000
I used to run a BEL radar detected through a SENA into a headset. Listen to music and then it'd switch to the detector when it went off. 2 things about radar...it gives the cop a speed reading of the largest object it detects. If you're going 100mph and a train is behind you going 10mph, radar will readout 10mph. Radar has to lock on to get a speed reading. If your rate of change in speed is about 10 feet/sec/sec...if you're scrubbing off about 7mph per second....then it can't lock on until you stop braking. That's why, when the detector goes off, you slam on the brakes.....that saved me huge one time. Also, if a cop is coming around a corner with the radar on, the detector will go off about a second before the cop is visible...the radar bounces off guardrails or other objects as he's sweeping around the corner....you scrub off speed and he's none the wiser.
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Feb 22nd 2021, 05:58 PM   #12
 GPD323's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

I have had a RD since 1973. I currently use the Escort Max 360C and the helmet HARD device. RD's work, I have had 1000's+++ of contacts (RD alerts) over the years. Never a ticket. LEO's keep the gun on all the time, even when parked at night. Radar bounces all over the place so getting a RD alert is easy for a RD to pickup way before coming in contact with the LEO vehicle whether moving or stationary.

That said, as noted above in the other posts, you cannot speed everywhere and think the RD will save you from a speeding ticket.

I do ride 10-20 mph over the limit all the time, is that enough to get a ticket in a rural area or the interstate? Probably.

PS: One run was from Schaniko to Biggs. I was at 100 mph to make time on the C14. Got a RD hit from a LEO coming towards me. He was miles ahead the RD is so sensitive that I had tons of time to decell.
Feb 23rd 2021, 04:13 AM   #13
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Philomath,OR

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
It’s looking to me like radar detectors work just like they always have when it comes to radar. They often give you just enough edge to drop a little speed and most likely get you out of the radar zone.
However when it comes to laser, you are much less likely to get enough time to make much if any difference unless the officer is pointing it at someone/thing else and you happen to ride through the beam for a second.
I guess my question is do police use laser most of the time, or do they still drive around using radar most of the time?
Feb 23rd 2021, 06:17 AM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

Laser is rarely used. It cannot be used while the patrol car is moving like radar can.

You will encounter laser mostly on major highways like I5. The LEO will be stationary, standing outside or leaning out a window and pointing the laser at you while its in their hands. True if you are speeding and get a laser hit, thats it.

Radar on the other hand is bouncing off all sorts of metal objects like guard rails, traffic signs, cars and other metal things. And most LEO's run the radar all the time on the move or stationary can be used inside the patrol car thru the window.

If a radar gun is turned off, it must be recalibrated and documented before use.

That's why even when the patrol car is off duty and parked in the house driveway the radar gun is still on and broadcasting.

Another issue with new cars and the blind spot sensors, they emit a frequency in the K-band that is super close to real Police K-band guns. So most detectors are going to getting this and will be getting a false alert not a real LEO RD gun. Its best to err on the safe side and watch your speed.

K-band narrow bands 1-4 are in this frequency where the blind spot sensors on cars run. On the Escort there is a notch filter to block 24.190 to 24.210 where most of the cars sensors run at. This helps ALOT keeping the false K-band to a minimum. Some cars do occasionally get thru this filter, just have to be aware.

KA-band on the other hand is always a real radar signal, better pay attention to KA. On the escort you can also segment the KA just like the K band since the 3 major KA guns emit in 3 very narrow ranges so the other 7 KA bands can be turned off and let the detector move faster thru its scanning ranges.

The Escort display can be set to show the frequency of the incoming signals. However its almost impossible to read on a bike, on the dash of a car its easier. I have the arrows set to show a different color depending on what signal is being detected.

Also, just like the Valentine the Escort Max360C has directional arrows so you get an idea from what direction the source is coming from.

I'll never ride or drive w/o a RD detector. If its raining and I am on my bike, I put a ziploc baggie over mine on its mount and cover the HARD transmitter.
Feb 23rd 2021, 06:57 AM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

I had an older 8500, 9500IX and the new IX and with all the blind spot monitoring signals coming off the new cars I got so many false signals I actually unplugged them in the city areas and most crowded highways. False alerts constantly. Very annoying.

The MAX360C is not perfect, but I can run with it on all the time regardless of where I am at, city, town open deserted roads.

Has very good filtering.
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