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Guns41 Jun 28th 2018 07:13 PM

tire preferences
Michelin Pilot Road 4

Dunlop Q4

Bridgestone RS10

Pirelli Angel GT

Looking for longevity and Grip.........GO

Burphel Jun 28th 2018 08:32 PM

PR4s are IMO, the best all-around tire for the NW. You can get better dry grip, but you'll sacrifice mileage and wet traction. I've had them on the Bonnezilla since they came out. No complaints on the street, and I can still drag a knee on the track (not an easy prospect on any tires, mind you). I've actually toyed with the idea of getting a set for my race bike to use as intermediates since mixed conditions are more common than full-on rain at PIR and I don't have a pit crew to change tires at the last second like MotoGP. They're a bit spendy, but they'll last. They actually have a new version they're calling the Road 5 that's the next generation of these. I haven't sampled them, though.

Q4s are meant to be a track tire. They say it'll work without warmers, but you better take it easy the first 2 laps if you skip them. Duration and grip will *suck* for street riding. Even if you think you're a hardcore canyon carver, you won't be generating enough heat to make the most of the compound they're using on a public road. Frankly, Dunlop already had DOT race tires, and the Q3+, so I don't know WTF they were thinking. Especially since they didn't release them in Lightweight sizes where it really could have a competitive option for racers. I have a fear that street squids will be crashing on these a lot in the next year.

The Q3/Q3+ are great sport/street tires if you're pretty much only going to ride when it's dry and want to hit an occasional trackday without warmers. You will suffer greatly if you get caught in a downpour or if you encounter gravel/chipseal. Durability is OK, but you'll notice squaring much sooner than with a less sporty tire.

No experience with the other 2. I've *heard* Angels are a good Sport/Touring tire, which probably puts it somewhere between the PR4 and Q3+. In Bridgestone nomenclature, RS means Race/Sport, so I'm guessing that's about equivalent to the Q3/Q3+, but again no experience.

VeritasImageryNW Jun 28th 2018 08:33 PM

Well, the Q4 is primarily a track tire, apparently at one point Dunlop considered making it a slick, so a better option would be the Q3+ if you want Dunlop.

Your list has a rather wide variety of genres on it, from "race" to sport-touring.

So, what are you putting them on?

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Pavement Tested Jun 28th 2018 10:23 PM

These tires are not categorically the same. If you want a comparison you need to do apples to apples not apples to oranges to grapes to bananas.

Also telling us what kind of riding you do will help. I know you're on a R1 but what are your percentages of commuting, "spirited" fun runs and track riding? Do you make a conscious decision to ride in the rain or does Ma Nature make that decision for you? Do you pack up your bike when temps drop below 60? These tires all perform differently in the scenarios I've laid out.

As stated above, the Q4 it a DOT track tire. You'll see maybe 1000 miles out of a rear on the street. The RS10 is also a track tire with a little more streetablity.

The closest comparison would be the PR4 and the Angel GT. I have both. I like both. Both are pretty well known for being sport touring tires. I havent had the opportunity to ride my Angels as hard in the wet and cold as I have PR3's and I feel the PR4's are performing as well as their predecessor. When its warm and dry the GTs stick well enough that my TC light isn't blinking at me. I've gotten good wear out of both tires. The PR3 had front tire wear issues that were supposed to be fixed with the PR4. I havent got enough miles on them to verify. I will most likely be going to a PR4 on my Conny when the Angels wear out.

The Q3+ is a good choice. They're priced really well, grip really well (i.e. they are commonly use on advanced level riders' bikes at the track for track day use) and last reasonably long. 5k-7k on the street is achievable if you ride within the confines of traffic laws the majority of the time. Obviously they won't last that long if you're running the IOM TT every day on the way to work.

I've heard different things about the new Michelin Pilot RS. Some say it's good, others not so much. I'm waiting to hear back from a friend on what his issue was this past weekend at the track. He was having traction issues but it is unclear as to what the reason was. I don't have any data on longevity yet.

In my experience the Pilot Road series tire is the best, do-it-all tire there is. I've tracked them, ridden in 100+ temps, subzero temps, dry roads, flooded roads, gravelly roads, dirt roads, sandy roads, you name it, if a street bike can go there I've probably ridden it and I never had an issue of any kind.

WheelJouster Jun 29th 2018 05:05 AM

If you're mainly a street rider like myself, I'd go with the Q3+ or another one to consider...Michelin Power RS. I have them on both R1s and they've both been wearing well and have good grip. I have about 5000 miles on each set. On the '16 R1, they've already well outlasted the stock Bridgestones and appear to be only 1/2 worn.

Comparing the Q3+ to the Power RS... In my experience/opinion, grip is maybe a little better with the Q3+, but they also wear a bit faster.

Sentinel Jun 29th 2018 07:24 AM

I've had PR4's and now Angels.

I didn't like the wear on the front of the PR4's. Scalloping.

My Angels seem to be wearing nicely, and the grip..well, not had a slip yet and my bike is HEAVY.

I'd put Angels on again, but probably not PR4's.

Heard the PR5's are good. Haven't tried them.

Not sure how objective anyone's tire opinions are though.

motoman Jun 29th 2018 09:16 AM

I like the Bridgestone S21.

Yep. Surprised me too. :p

I would never own a Dunflop under any circumstances.

GPD323 Jun 29th 2018 09:34 AM

My C14 chews through tires fast. This is my experience with this bike and tires.

I have run the Angel GT's, great tire but the front wears out in 3k miles. So 2 fronts to one rear. I HATED the PR4's, took them off and gave them away. Slow handling and a mushy feeling in the bars. They did not want to turn in at all.

Then I tried the AVON Storm 3DXM's and went through 3 sets. Only tire that would get me 6K miles before needing a new set. Only thing is the Avon's introduced a head-shake like you cannot imagine decelerating at about 45mph. Real bad.

I now have the New Dunlop Roadsmarts 3's. Head-shake is gone, they handle as well as the Pirellis but I doubt I get 6K miles before handling takes a dive.

When my ZX14 tires are gone I am going with the Dunlops, most likely on the Z900RS also.

Bugaboo Jun 29th 2018 09:51 AM

I am looking for new tires for a Ninja 1K.

Anybody have any feedback on the new Michelin Power RS?

Reviews are off the charts.

It is interesting how subjective tire reviews can be. I have run PPowers for years. Love the handling and traction and they have been the only performance tire that gives me any mileage. With other brands, I barely get 2,500 miles.

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Syringe Jun 29th 2018 10:03 AM

Metzeler M7 Sportecs are awfully good, and I also second the Bridgestone S21 vote.

Pavement Tested Jun 29th 2018 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by motoman (Post 48702)

I would never own a Dunflop under any circumstances.

Funny because I feel the same way about Bridgestones.

mgfchapin Jun 29th 2018 10:19 AM

None of the above? Road 5.

motoman Jun 29th 2018 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Pavement Tested (Post 48707)
Funny because I feel the same way about Bridgestones.

These are just a couple. I can go on. This has been going on for years with Dunlop.

Guns41 Jun 29th 2018 12:37 PM

These will be going on the R1. it's about 90% commuting and 10% spirited ride. You know how it is from Manchester to the highway.......

HalcyonSon Jun 29th 2018 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by motoman (Post 48702)
I like the Bridgestone S21.

Yep. Surprised me too. :p

I would never own a Dunflop under any circumstances.


Originally Posted by Guns41 (Post 48711)
These will be going on the R1. it's about 90% commuting and 10% spirited ride. You know how it is from Manchester to the highway.......

Does that include commuting in the rain?

My vote is for the Angels. I liked everything except the price point, so went back to the old Diablo when I finished the Angel. The Angel has better wet traction, the life is about the same, but the Diablo costs half as much.

I haven't ridden a Pilot Road since the original PR came out, and didn't care for it way back then.

My bike came stock with BT 020 and later 021. Both had the worst wear pattern I've ever seen. The Diablo gets a minor scallop right before it's finished around 10,000-12,000 miles, but the BT 020 was awful after about 2,000 miles until I got rid of it at 6,000 -ish.

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