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Mar 4th 2018, 02:22 AM   #1
 victor's Avatar
 
  Aug 2016
  battleground, wa

  i have an 06 vxt1300 and an 01 r1 champions edition
2001 yamaha r1 champions edition wont start

ok, Ive searched and searched and Im getting nowhere ... if this has been covered and I havent found it, I apologize.

So heres the deal ... I have the r1, been riding and enjoying it ... it is however a bit to tall for me currently. I did order a lowering kit, but it has not come in yet.

The other day when I came home, after coming to a complete stop (engine still running), the bike fell over to the right ... when it hit the ground, it shut off on its own. i turned off the key, proceeded to remove my gear and then came back to pick it up. I later went to leave again, and it would not start... it cranks and cranks, but no fire. I rode the other bike and have let it sit.

with this great weather, I wanted to ride it ... still crank, no start. I used some starting fluid and it fired right up, no issue ... till it burned off, then it shut down.

Tank is full of fresh premium fuel. Fuel pump comes on for a few seconds when you first turn the key on. fuel filter is clear and full of fuel. it fires/runs/revs great on starting fluid. kill switch is the correct position. fuel petcock is "on".

as far as I know, the 01 does not have a tip over sensor, and even if it did, wouldnt that keep it from running on starting fluid? same for concerns of not having spark or compression ... so I go back to a fuel issue ... but with pump coming on and line/filter full of fuel, I cant help but feel that this is not the issue either ... and all seems very coincidental happening after the tip over ...

kind of stumped at this point.

oh ... tried to get to diagnostic mode via reset and select buttons ... no matter how long or in what combination of key turns etc, I can not for the life of me figure out how to get into diagnostic mode ... it just changes from standard to metric units.

Any ideas, information and or help is greatly appreciated ...
Mar 4th 2018, 07:05 AM   #2
 SilvieFox's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  welches, Oregon

  08Kawasaki Versys(Sylvester),72Suzuki RV90(vanvan),81Honda TwinStar(Bobber),Yamaha225,Honda Shadow
the 01 has carbs not injectors right? it could be a stuck float, id try pulling the bowl drain and see if it just keeps flowing or just some gas comes out then stops
Mar 4th 2018, 09:57 AM   #3
 curve addict's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Des Moines, WA

  ...1987 Yamaha FZR1000...
Your symptoms keep pointing toward a fuel blockage of some sort. As Silvie mentioned; open up one or more float bowl drains. Any fuel coming out? If no, then disconnect the hose between the fuel pump and the carburetors. and turn on the ignition. You should probably have a catch bottle over the hose, just in case. Any fuel? If not, the problem is likely not with the carbs.

Now, disconnect the hose between the petcock and the fuel pump. You shouldn't need to start the bike. Any fuel? If not, then about the only thing left is the petcock. Maybe there was something floating around in the tank, that settled around the petcock screen when the bike fell over.

Let us know what you found.
Mar 4th 2018, 10:59 AM   #4
 victor's Avatar
 
  Aug 2016
  battleground, wa

  i have an 06 vxt1300 and an 01 r1 champions edition
yes, this one is carbed. I missed fuel injection by a year. When the bike is running, it runs great and pulls hard.

thanks for the advice, I will do some more diagnostics today and report back what I find.

I was leaning towards fuel issue, just wasnt sure if it was electrical, mechanical or blockage ...

thanks again

update: pulled fuel line after petcock ... fuel flows freely. replaced line, pulled fuel line after fuel pump ... pump pushes out lots of fuel ... its like a heartbeat though, not a steady stream (if that matters). Havent found an allen wrench small enough to fit in the tight space to open the bowl drains ... ill keep looking. I did tap on the carbs with a screwdriver handle to see if I could "knock" the floats loose ... that had no change.

Edited by victor on Mar 4th 2018 at 11:37 AM
Mar 4th 2018, 02:29 PM   #5
 unicykle's Avatar
 
  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  gsxr600 gsxr750 gsxr1000 i like gsxrs
i would guess and say it might have fouled the plugs when it was on its side. I droped a big wheelie on my old fz1 and poped off a float needle in one of the carbs and fouled a plug and it wouldnt start unless i let it sit for a couple days then it would fire and die in a few seconds and not restart.

I just re read your symptoms and if it fires on starting fluid you dont have fouled plugs you likley have a carb problem ie stuck floats or float needle, try really rattling the cabs by banging on the float bowls or taking the carbs off and removing the float bowls and see whats happening. Youcan first remove the drain plug on each float bowl and verify there is fuel in each one.

Edited by unicykle on Mar 4th 2018 at 02:42 PM
Mar 5th 2018, 02:45 PM   #6
 
  Jul 2016
  tigard

  2013 Ninja 1000
You probably have vent lines coming off the carbs. Check to make sure they're not pinched or plugged.
Mar 5th 2018, 07:39 PM   #7
 Dogo's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Olyallup

  Zuma
Fuel pump on a carb bike?... That's dumb.
Mar 5th 2018, 07:44 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  welches, Oregon

  08Kawasaki Versys(Sylvester),72Suzuki RV90(vanvan),81Honda TwinStar(Bobber),Yamaha225,Honda Shadow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogo
Fuel pump on a carb bike?... That's dumb.
not really . 1000cc suck down fuel faster then gravity can feed it
Mar 5th 2018, 07:56 PM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Olyallup

  Zuma
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilvieFox
not really . 1000cc suck down fuel faster then gravity can feed it
Mine didn't... but makes sense.
Learnt sumtin nu toodai... Kewl.
Apr 26th 2018, 09:30 AM   #10
 victor's Avatar
 
  Aug 2016
  battleground, wa

  i have an 06 vxt1300 and an 01 r1 champions edition
I forgot to post a follow up on this ... the bike had been down before (before I got it), there were several broken tabs etc, several things loose ... when the bike fell over and shut off, I immediately though thought electrical, then troubleshooting lead me to fuel ...

the fix was that when it fell over, the carbs actually came off the motor, but close enough the starting fluid would work.

resetting the carbs and tightening everything down got it going again.

thanks everyone for your help and ideas. I had never run into a situation like this, but it was a learning experience and will never be forgotten
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