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Jun 12th 2018, 10:48 AM   #61
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That was early in the troubleshooting process, along with tightening everything I could reach on the bike (and the truck and car, just in case), cursing, throwing a snit fit, and threats.

30 minutes on the tender and it fired right up. Good charging voltage, even with the high beams charging at 13.9 volts. Shut down and restarted 45 min later just fine w/o tender. I'm wondering if there us some relay hanging up (intermittently, dammit) allowing some mystery load to draw down the battery.

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Jun 12th 2018, 10:55 AM   #62
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  Bremerton

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That was early in the troubleshooting process, along with tightening everything I could reach on the bike (and the truck and car, just in case), cursing, throwing a snit fit, and threats.

30 minutes on the tender and it fired right up. Good charging voltage, even with the high beams charging at 13.9 volts. Shut down and restarted 45 min later just fine w/o tender. I'm wondering if there us some relay hanging up (intermittently, dammit) allowing some mystery load to draw down the battery.

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So when are we rescheduling for?
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Jun 12th 2018, 10:58 AM   #63
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So when are we rescheduling for?
Gotta get a 48 hour testing period cleared first then I'll check the schedule.

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Jun 12th 2018, 11:03 AM   #64
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Gotta get a 48 hour testing period cleared first then I'll check the schedule.

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Copy all. Standing by for further information...
Jun 12th 2018, 11:10 AM   #65
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  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

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Luigi will not play nicely, so I'm out of my own ride.
You know you're always welcome to snag one of mine in a pinch...
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Jun 12th 2018, 08:47 PM   #66
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  Feb 2016
  Gig Harbor

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Gotta get a 48 hour testing period cleared first then I'll check the schedule.
June 20, 21, or 22 and I could play. Just sayin'
Jun 13th 2018, 07:08 AM   #67
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Engineering Update

Well, campers, that insufferable chunk of linguini engineering fired right up this morning.

With 30 minutes on the tender yesterday morning, followed by major abuse to the system by starting up and immediately shutting down every hour or so yesterday, followed by letting it sit all night and I still cannot replicate the problem. I hate intermittent ghost problems, especially in 12VDC systems. Give me 480 VAC any day so I can look for the smoking hole and try to figure out what lived (and died) there and what would kill it.

I have an emergency jump start pack being delivered tomorrow as an insurance policy in the event that Luigi decides to act out again.

BTW: alienbogey, none of those dates will work. Training range on Wed, "honey dos" on Thurs, and preps for a weekend summit push in the North Cascades on Fri.
Jun 13th 2018, 07:16 AM   #68
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  Apr 2016
  Des Moines, WA

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I feel your pain, Texasl. My bike's intermittent charging system issue finally revealed itself two days ago; a broken wire somewhere in the rotor's field exciter winding.

Good luck finding your bugaboo.
Jun 13th 2018, 09:41 AM   #69
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I may never find it because it seems to be an intermittent discharge issue. Indications are that something is staying energized when the bike is shut off (sticking relay?) which allows the system to slowly bleed voltage.

These problems are the real reason that maintenance people drink.
Jun 13th 2018, 07:05 PM   #70
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

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half-split it using fuses.

stick an ammeter on the red wire at the battery.

remove half of the fuses.

read meter.

any current?

if yes, replace the fuses and remove the other ones.

repeat.

if no, put HALF the removed fuses back and re-measure.

continue until you have isolated the bleeding circuit.

check resistance to ground on that circuit. should be some.

walk through that circuit by hand.

Edited by Sentinel on Jun 13th 2018 at 07:08 PM
Jun 13th 2018, 07:08 PM   #71
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half-split it using fuses.

you should be there in like three steps.
Nice idea, but can't get the problem to replicate.

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Jun 13th 2018, 07:11 PM   #72
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i bet if you went for a ride out in the boonies it would come back and then you could do the trouble-shooting.
Jun 13th 2018, 10:44 PM   #73
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It could be that the battery itself is the problem and is slowly discharging without any external load.
Jun 14th 2018, 04:32 AM   #74
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i bet if you went for a ride out in the boonies it would come back and then you could do the trouble-shooting.
Which is why I decided not to just toss the tender on it and head out on Tuesday. Let's just say that I learned my lesson many years ago and leave it at that.

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It could be that the battery itself is the problem and is slowly discharging without any external load.
Brand new battery.
Jun 14th 2018, 12:01 PM   #75
 
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Though several of you folks weren't able to make the ride due to Intermittent Electrical Gremlinanigans, three of us still showed up for Chinookian Fun. Unfortunately, both of the other riders were on "Time Hacks" so we didn't have the time to do lunch, nor swing back via HWY 12 or Mt. Rainier. After going over the pass, one rider broke off and headed back the way we came. The remaining two of us then rode back via Yakima Canyon Rd and I-90.

(Map Link)

Having arrived a little early in Enumclaw, I stopped at The Local Coffee House in the downtown area.



After a nice Mocha and Cinnamon Roll, I headed to Safeway for the meet-up.

I was soon joined by 'S3Seattle' and 'Need for Speed'. After a quick meet and greet (and, an additional short wait for anyone running late), we took off and headed up SR 410 to the Pass. Traffic was light, and we were able to move at a relaxed, moderately spirited pace until we hit the construction zone. That's where we caught up with the long line of traffic. Unfortunately, the construction area is located where 410 starts to climb up and becomes a bit narrow. From that point on, there weren't any safe passing opportunities, so we plodded along with the rest of the traffic until we made our way over the pass. We then stopped at the view point for picts and a short break.





After admiring the view and chatting about the ride so far, we discussed everyone's plans for the rest of the day. As both "Need4Spd" and "S3" had to be back by specific times, we opted not to stop for lunch someplace. As a group, we continued down to Whistlin' Jacks where "Need4Spd" broke off and headed back. "S3" and myself continued on to Naches, and stopped for gas. Since I wasn't on a time hack (and hadn't ridden Yakima Canyon Road before), I opted to follow "S3" back to the Seattle Area.

After fueling up, we decided to take a more interesting route than HWY 12. We then jumped on the Old Naches HWY, and followed it to where it runs back into 12. We continued on 12 and danced our way through the 12/97/82 Interchange. We then made our way to (and through) Selah, and eventually jumped on to HWY 821 (Yakima Canyon Rd). We headed North at a nice pace, and decided to make a few stops along the way for pictures and a break.









Upon reaching Ellensburg, we jumped on I-90 and made our way homeward. I broke off from "S3" at the HWY 18 Jct, and headed to my family's place in Auburn.

Despite many folks not being able to make the ride and the ensuing changing plans, it was still a great day and ride: light traffic, comfortable temps, dry conditions, and good folks to ride with certainly made it so.

It was definitely a pleasure to meet and ride, with Gary and Jim. I'm certainly looking forward to the next time.
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