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Mar 29th 2016, 11:53 AM   #1
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  Jan 2016
  Bellingham

New EPA Modifications Rule

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The EPA wants to make it illegal to alter stock emissions control devices, even if the vehicles are to be used for off-highway competition. This would have wide-reaching impacts since the ban would include everything from sportbikes for trackdays and club races to dual-sports for enduros, and everything in between.
Beyond jeopardizing racing across the country, the ban would surely have a ripple effect throughout the aftermarket industry, affecting riders of every discipline. Thankfully, there’s something you can do: Let your senators and representatives know that you’re against the EPA’s proposal and that you support the Recognizing the Protection of Motorsports Act of 2016.


Motorcycle Racing and the EPA Modification Ban | MOTORCYCLIST
Mar 29th 2016, 12:16 PM   #2
 
  Jan 2016
  Beaverton

  '13 636, '14 N1k, DR650
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Originally Posted by Balut
Beyond jeopardizing racing across the country
This is 100% true. If you try to race with a stock exhaust, your bike will explode.

I think the proposed EPA rule is dumb, but saying people will stop racing because of it is equally dumb.
Mar 29th 2016, 12:24 PM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
Same thing is proposed with race cars. Pretty much the same language, just substitute motorcycle for a car.
Mar 29th 2016, 12:26 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  600RR
^ Edit just saw this, did it get anywhere?

why wouldn't this apply to NASCAR, why just motorcycles?
Mar 29th 2016, 01:20 PM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Bothell

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Originally Posted by 1shinysideup
^ Edit just saw this, did it get anywhere?

why wouldn't this apply to NASCAR, why just motorcycles?
Despite the name, Toyota's race car isn't actually a modified Camry
Mar 29th 2016, 01:28 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by Squidly
Despite the name, Toyota's race car isn't actually a modified Camry


But it would effect a lot of SCCA competition.
Mar 29th 2016, 01:31 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
New EPA Modifications Rule

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Originally Posted by Andenthal
This is 100% true. If you try to race with a stock exhaust, your bike will explode.



I think the proposed EPA rule is dumb, but saying people will stop racing because of it is equally dumb.


Do you forget how much racing is done with modified production vehicles?

The only motorcycle racing this wouldn't effect would be prototype classes, primarily MotoGP.

All of MotoAmerica is production based, as is all the club races in the country, including WMRRA. And don't forget about motocross, including AMA SuperCross.
Mar 29th 2016, 01:33 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  '14 St3R, '05 DR650
Uh, the proposed "RPM" bill is also stupid. It allows exhaust modifications only on bikes intended for racing.

Fuck all of that. I'll modify my exhaust if I want to.

And in the end, who's to say that modifying an exhaust will cause an increase in emissions? Last I checked, replacing the exhaust on my STR didn't change my mileage at all.
Mar 29th 2016, 01:42 PM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Bothell

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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
only motorcycle racing this wouldn't effect would be prototype classes, primarily MotoGP.
I don't support this legislation but it doesn't seem like it will hurt competition much if every racer in a class has a slower bike. Club racing might even be more accessible because a new racer can be competitive without dropping 3G on a full exhaust and built engine.

Again, I'm not for restrictions on mods but I also don't think it would be the end of the world.
Mar 29th 2016, 01:54 PM   #10
 
  Jan 2016
  Beaverton

  '13 636, '14 N1k, DR650
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Do you forget how much racing is done with modified production vehicles?

All of MotoAmerica is production based, as is all the club races in the country, including WMRRA. And don't forget about motocross, including AMA SuperCross.
If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that if this were to pass, everyone would stop racing with MotoAmerica, WERA (lol), and the smaller clubs (WMRRA/OMRRA).

If that is indeed what you are saying, then I wholeheartedly disagree.

Would it suck huge monkey balls? Yes, absolutely.
Would racers adjust to it? Yes, absolutely.
Would they stop racing because they would be forced to use a the stock exhaust? Hell no they wouldn't. They would just (rightfully so) whine and complain about it.
Mar 29th 2016, 02:00 PM   #11
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle East Side

This will never be a thing.
Mar 29th 2016, 02:04 PM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Squidly
I don't support this legislation but it doesn't seem like it will hurt competition much if every racer in a class has a slower bike. Club racing might even be more accessible because a new racer can be competitive without dropping 3G on a full exhaust and built engine.

Again, I'm not for restrictions on mods but I also don't think it would be the end of the world.
Well it would definitely eliminate the possibility of any American rider making it into international competition. It would completely eliminate the Superbike and SuperSport classes, and greatly impact every other class.

It would also eliminate many classes of sports car racing in this country.
Mar 29th 2016, 02:13 PM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andenthal
If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that if this were to pass, everyone would stop racing with MotoAmerica, WERA (lol), and the smaller clubs (WMRRA/OMRRA).

If that is indeed what you are saying, then I wholeheartedly disagree.

Would it suck huge monkey balls? Yes, absolutely.
Would racers adjust to it? Yes, absolutely.
Would they stop racing because they would be forced to use a the stock exhaust? Hell no they wouldn't. They would just (rightfully so) whine and complain about it.
Not saying people would stop racing, but the impact would be significant. MotoAmerica purposefully aligned their classes to match those of WSBK in order to provide a "training ground" for American riders to be able to move up into international competition. Rainey talked about that being a primary goal of his for the series. To eliminate SuperBike and SuperSport classes eliminates that goal. And both of those classes are production based, with major emissions modifications.

Notice, as well, this rule isn't just about exhaust, but the entire emissions system as well. That includes all the computer controls as well, meaning that you can't use aftermarket programing. Anything tied to the emissions system cannot be modified under this rule. Think about all that includes. Intake, fuel delivery, spark, timing, etc. Basically that gives you two racing classes; stock and prototype.
Mar 29th 2016, 02:43 PM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Ferndale Washington

  ZX10-R GSXR 600 Track Bike
Maybe they will start stamping "Not For Road "use instead of just a little sticker.I mean We got pulled over on Whidbey by Island County Sheriff Because of one GSXR 600 was running? hell I do not even know what it was but it got us pulled over Sheriff was cool at first,but said Gixxer rider had a bad attitude he got a award for his exhaust and we got warnings. Even though my pipe still had the For Track use only sticker on it.But we were polite and everything was "Yes Sir,No Sir.A little respect goes along way.
Mar 29th 2016, 03:08 PM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
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Originally Posted by wooden
And in the end, who's to say that modifying an exhaust will cause an increase in emissions? Last I checked, replacing the exhaust on my STR didn't change my mileage at all.
Your mileage might be the same but if you removed the catalytic converter which 98% of aftermarket exhaust systems don't have then it will increase the amount of "bad" emissions e.g.
  • Hydrocarbons (unburned gas, causes smog)
  • Carbon monoxide (the actual exhaust of burned gas, poisonous to breathe)
  • Nitrogen oxides (heat in the engine makes nitrogen in the air combine with oxygen, causes smog & acid rain)

The cat helps to convert most of these to Carbon Dioxide & Water, which are safer. I've even heard bigger bikes with no cat will pollute more than most cars with a cat.
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