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Feb 10th 2016, 05:23 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by albatrosscafe
I always argued that it is "fair" in the grand scheme of things. Motorcyclists trade safety, convenience, cargo capacity, passenger capacity, and protection from the elements for the ability to be a little bit faster in traffic. We are just making up for the time it takes for us to put on all our gear!
Hell yeah! Well put. This should be the argument for any pro-moto bill

Naza
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Feb 10th 2016, 05:28 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Willow
Even if this gets shot down, it's all still a start, so the public becomes more and more aware of motorcycles moving up in stopped traffic. I'll mention lane splitting or filtering to friends or cowokers, and they don't have a clue what I'm talking about. The media needs to put this out there, like this, so people start getting a clue. If people start understanding it's benefits, they may think...... "Hey, maybe I'll get a motorcycle too, so I'm not sitting here in stopped traffic."
Yeah, filter the funds from 'Click it or ticket' to a pro filtering/splitting campaign (I prefer the shoulder pass).

However, we have so many Cali folks up here now that they should already be savvy.

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Feb 10th 2016, 05:44 PM   #18
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King 5 (after the break) is going to give their $0.02 on this subject....so probably around 6:45-6:50 pm for anyone reading now.

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Feb 10th 2016, 05:52 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by Naza
King 5 (after the break) is going to give their $0.02 on this subject....so probably around 6:45-6:50 pm for anyone reading now.

Naza
I am curious - let us know what you hear
Feb 10th 2016, 06:07 PM   #20
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I am curious - let us know what you hear
Me too...,just walked in the house, so missed it

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Feb 10th 2016, 06:10 PM   #21
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I am curious - let us know what you hear
It was a highlight of what we have been discussing in this thread.

They had a soundbite of a dude (probably the bill sponsor) saying that motorcyclists are vulnerable to be rear-ended in backed up traffic (read: folks on their fucking cell phones slamming into a bike)..which is true and that bikes can over heat...which is partially why Cali has the law (due to air cooled motors) and is true.

So at least it gets some nightly news for folks to think about.


Sidebar: (sorry to highjack this thread for a rant) a few years ago I rode down to my parents in Sublimity, OR in August for my b-day. I was in full black gear and it was hot out. Once I hit Portland, it was like rush hour-ish, so I though I would be cheeky and do the bypass (405?205?...ya know to the airport...I forget that road name) around where the Ikea is they were laying new asphalt and I sat in traffic and was boiling hot for more than an hour or more.

I was sooo scared to ride the shoulder in fear of getting a ticket or thinking maybe there was an accident and the police were up there and they would bust me.

Never fucking again! I got heat stroke and heat blisters/rash from that ordeal. Any ticket is worth moving/getting air in severe heat.

I finally could see an exit and rode the shoulder to the exit just to get some air moving through my gear. It took me to the back way to Woodburn and Silverton and finally Sub....never made it back to I-5

I was in crippling pain on my ride back up to Sea. I had to use cornstarch in my gloves and gear to keep from itching from the heat rash.

Naza
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Feb 10th 2016, 06:16 PM   #22
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  Jan 2016
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Here's a link to the article and on air video:

Bill would allow motorcycles on shoulders in traffic

Gotta love this:

"Motorcycle riders would get preferential treatment on some highways during traffic jams under a bill that has the support of the state Senate."

Already playing into the "it's not fair" mentality.
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Feb 10th 2016, 08:17 PM   #23
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The "it's not fair" mentality of the drivers in this state fkn disgusts me. I've talked to non-motorcyclists about this before and they swear up and down that lane sharing/splitting/whatever is dangerous and unfair. One ex co-worker said "I would want to open my door as they rode by...oops, sorry! Serves you right, if I have to be stuck in traffic, so do you." I stared at her like she had a third eye on her forehead. The passive-aggressive, pasty-faced, Subaru driving retards allowed to operate motor vehicles up here can't take one minute to contemplate how less congested the roads would be if bikes could actually slip past them during traffic jams, thus eliminating one more vehicle in said jam.

Calming down, calming down...

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Feb 10th 2016, 09:57 PM   #24
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The WSP also thinks they are a huge authority on these things. I don't know why they think they have so much credibility here. They are usually against this kind of law. I bet they are afraid they can't enforce it.

Quote:
“I think there’s too much risk,” said Sgt. Paul Cagle, who thinks any traffic relief won’t be worthwhile.

“We’re going to see fatalities go up,” he said.
No basis for this kind of comment...
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Feb 10th 2016, 10:06 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by albatrosscafe
The WSP also thinks they are a huge authority on these things. I don't know why they think they have so much credibility here. They are usually against this kind of law. I bet they are afraid they can't enforce it.



No basis for this kind of comment...
Not only is there no basis for the comments, they're actually false. There is data UC Berkeley Study Shows Lane-Splitting Motorcyclists are Safer in Traffic that supports that lane-splitting is actually safer in EVERY aspect. The only way fatalities go up is if the fkn cagers purposefully swipe or hit riders. So many ID 10 T errors around this topic.
Feb 10th 2016, 10:22 PM   #26
 
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  Newcastle, WA

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In civilized discussions I tend to answer the "not fair" mentality about splitting with this example:

In a crowded parking lot would my car driving friends rather see 20 motorcycles taking up with one space each or or 20 motorcycles taking up 4 spaces buy parking 5 in each space? which is more fair to the car drivers?

Now picture a crowded freeway...20 bikes taking up 20 spaces in stop and go traffic or 20 bikes moving and gone out of said traffic, and safer for the bikes, too? Again, which is more fair to the car drivers?

At a traffic light where traffic is backed up, allowing the bike to filter to the front and leave first may cause one car to not make that cycle of the light. Keeping 5 bike in the backup will cause up to 5 cars to not make that cycle of the light. Once again, which is fair to the cars?

At the very least it gets them thinking about a different way to help traffic...
Feb 11th 2016, 02:14 AM   #27
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Originally Posted by bellnghmrider
The passive-aggressive, pasty-faced, Subaru driving retards allowed to operate motor vehicles up here
Amen
Feb 11th 2016, 05:21 AM   #28
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The reality is if either the chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee or the chairman of the House Transportation opposes legislation on this topic, it is as good as dead right from the get go.

Currently that is the case.

Not fair, but it is legislative reality.
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Feb 11th 2016, 07:04 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by tod701
The reality is if either the chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee or the chairman of the House Transportation opposes legislation on this topic, it is as good as dead right from the get go.

Currently that is the case.

Not fair, but it is legislative reality.
And what is their reasoning to be opposed?
Feb 11th 2016, 08:13 AM   #30
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The reality is if either the chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee or the chairman of the House Transportation opposes legislation on this topic, it is as good as dead right from the get go.

Currently that is the case.

Not fair, but it is legislative reality.
In all fairness, Senator King actually voted to move the bill out of committee with the lane splitting/sharing language in place, just lowering the threshold speed by 10 mph.

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And what is their reasoning to be opposed?
Representative Clibborn (Chair House Transportation) is another victim of the "freak out" factor from being in California and not expecting the practice. That is the biggest hurdle that the riding community has to overcome, mainly by making POLITE contact with their representatives, as well as the candidates during the election cycle and educating them on the issue.
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