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May 12th 2017, 08:51 AM   #16
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  2014 FJR-ES
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Originally Posted by RC65
I just bought a '16 FJR1300, but did take the Concours for a testride and sat on several. My impression was that the Concours is considerably more bulky and heavy-feeling, as compared to the comparatively more trim (and I think more attractive) FJR. Once on the road, they have similar performance qualities, which I suppose is little surprise given their fundamental similarities, but once again I did favor the FJR for rider ergonomics, a slightly more nimble handling characteristic, better features, etc. I will say that the Concours seemed to have a little more initial grunt, but overall the power delivery seemed comparable and the overall difference of little real note.

I think the Concours is a fine bike and I'm sure you'd be pleased with one...I did, however, favor the FJR1300 by a good degree, so I'd suggest at least checking out the model before you make a decision.
After owning 2 C14s (2008 and 2010) and 4 FJRs (2005, 2008, 2013A, and 2014 ES), I think that is very good advice. I have had a C14 and a FJR sitting side by side in my garage since 2007 and while the C14s match the FJRs very well when comparing like generations, the FJR has been in its 3rd generation since 2013 while the C14 is deeply stuck in its 2nd generation. My 2010 C14 has a Penske shock and ZX-14 fully adjustable forks, both of which are significant improvements in ride and handling but it still is not as good as the bone stock 2013A and 2014ES FJRs. The C14 is also top heavy in comparison to the FJRs and can be a handful at slow speeds especially when riding with a passenger.

The C14 does beat the FJR is top end power if that is important to you and it also appears that even more power is available through out the rpm range if the motor is re-flashed (at a cost of about $375). I personally don't think its necessary on a touring bike, both the FJR and the C14 have more power than you can sanely use on public roads.
May 12th 2017, 09:39 AM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
Very well said mcrider, and I have seen how you ride that FJR, no slouch!. After sitting on the Connie it makes the FJR feel even lighter and smaller, but still a fun tourer. I can't believe it took Yamaha so long to add a 6th gear, the ones I rode were both still the 5 gear models and it really needed it. True, power and handling can always be maximized...if one wants. I think 375 for a Steve's reflash is ridiculously high IMHO. I got my C14 to have a more sedate ride, so I think I will leave the suspension and power as is to keep me from trying to ride it like my ZX-10. If I need scalpel sharp handling and wheelies I will just ride it, LOL.

OP, if you ever end up in Moses Lake before you decide, you will be welcome to try mine.
May 12th 2017, 11:17 AM   #18
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  2014 FJR-ES
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Originally Posted by ZXtasy
I can't believe it took Yamaha so long to add a 6th gear, the ones I rode were both still the 5 gear models and it really needed it.
Whether the FJR really needed a 6th gear is still a subject of debate but it certainly is not a negative. However, the C14's 6th gear is far too tall (3.4:1) to be very useful, especially if you are trying to extend range in its relatively small 5.8 galleon tank. I get better fuel economy in 5th gear about 80 percent of the time, especially when riding double; into even a slight head wind; or up a slight grade. Obviously, having a overdrive 6th gear is great when going downhill or a enjoying a nice tail wind.
May 12th 2017, 12:41 PM   #19
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  Mar 2016
  Redmond, WA

  Triumph Thunderbird 1600
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Originally Posted by mcrider007
Whether the FJR really needed a 6th gear is still a subject of debate but it certainly is not a negative.
Agreed. I'm very happy that I waited until the '16 model year to pick my FJR up. Some may chalk the change to six gears to more a marketing gimmick than a substantive change, and while I’ll grant you it’s just a couple hundred RPMs lowering in sixth, it was enough a change (for me) and/or justification to push me over the edge that I was already teetering upon and finally pull the trigger on one. I took a '15 on a couple test rides last year, and the five-speed gearbox concerned me as I’d already sold a bike, an '08 Vulcan 900 Custom, in '12 because the revs were too high on the highway. The test rides suggested perhaps 5th as a top gear wasn’t too bad, but it didn’t seem ideal. Six gears on the '16, on the other hand, does, and I gotta say I'm really pleased to have it. Oh, and the LED lighting and slipper clutch upgrades for '16 are just icing on the cake.

Btw, Mcrider, I'm curious: Why do you have two such similar bikes (the FJR and Concours) -- you mention, "I have had a C14 and a FJR sitting side by side in my garage since 2007." Both great bikes, of course, but I am curious why someone would have two such very similar bikes (as opposed to having for a second bike, for example, a cruiser or a naked sportsbike or adventure bike or a retro (e.g. Bonneville) or etc etc.?

Edited by RC65 on May 12th 2017 at 12:45 PM
May 12th 2017, 01:39 PM   #20
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
The C14 _is_ a bigass bike, and you have to take that into account.
6th gear is in fact freaking tall. I tach about 3600 at 80mph in 6th.
But I like that. I use more of the gears on this bike than I have on any other bike. Sometimes I actually ride around in 4th rather than just passing through it.
I think if weight is important to you the FJR is worth a test ride.
I have not flashed my ECU because I haven't got many miles on my C14 and honestly it has way more pull than anyone really needs already, but I am certain I will have it done over this coming winter because why not?
May 12th 2017, 02:07 PM   #21
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  2014 FJR-ES
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Originally Posted by RC65
Btw, Mcrider, I'm curious: Why do you have two such similar bikes (the FJR and Concours) -- you mention, "I have had a C14 and a FJR sitting side by side in my garage since 2007." Both great bikes, of course, but I am curious why someone would have two such very similar bikes (as opposed to having for a second bike, for example, a cruiser or a naked sportsbike or adventure bike or a retro (e.g. Bonneville) or etc etc.?
Good question...simple answer is that I am single...therefore I can. I normally have 3-5 bikes at a time since I seem to be more skilled in buying bikes than selling them and it is convenient to have a backup touring bike...and a adventure bike...sometimes a sports bike (last one was a ZX-14), and a loaner bike. My girl friend prefers the C14 for 2-up (and it has much larger hard bags), I prefer the FJR for solo, and I have a Super Tenere waiting for some future trip (last trip was to Bella Coola, BC and Hyder, AK).
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May 12th 2017, 02:50 PM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  Triumph Explorer, Concours 1400, Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
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Originally Posted by mcrider007
Good question...simple answer is that I am single...therefore I can. I normally have 3-5 bikes at a time since I seem to be more skilled in buying bikes than selling them and it is convenient to have a backup touring bike...and a adventure bike...sometimes a sports bike (last one was a ZX-14), and a loaner bike. My girl friend prefers the C14 for 2-up (and it has much larger hard bags), I prefer the FJR for solo, and I have a Super Tenere waiting for some future trip (last trip was to Bella Coola, BC and Hyder, AK).
I have my Connie for sale on consignment, my Husky in the shop, my Triumph at the training facility. The only bikes in the garage were my Ural and a 1962 Yamaguchi. My wife walked into the garage and yelled "My car will fit!"

Not so fast woman!
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May 12th 2017, 03:58 PM   #23
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  Mar 2016
  Redmond, WA

  Triumph Thunderbird 1600
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrider007
Good question...simple answer is that I am single...therefore I can. I normally have 3-5 bikes at a time since I seem to be more skilled in buying bikes than selling them and it is convenient to have a backup touring bike...and a adventure bike...sometimes a sports bike (last one was a ZX-14), and a loaner bike. My girl friend prefers the C14 for 2-up (and it has much larger hard bags), I prefer the FJR for solo, and I have a Super Tenere waiting for some future trip (last trip was to Bella Coola, BC and Hyder, AK).
Ah. Nice. Color me envious...my budget and garage space -- and, yes, wife --
dicate just one bike for me at a time. You guys with stables of bikes make me jealous.
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May 13th 2017, 12:28 PM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Puyallup

  An XX, coupla ZX's, a -10, and now a 701.
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Originally Posted by Benjam97
Anyone ride a Kawasaki Concourse 14? I'm looking into picking up a 2010 model. My CBR1100XX sadly will not do for riding 2 up long distance.
Word to the wise - keep the Blackbird, or you will wish you did.

I have many bikes, but my XX can definitely hold it's own against the more modern bikes

Always add to the stable, rather than thin the herd...
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May 14th 2017, 10:03 PM   #25
 
  Sep 2016
  Ferndale

I don't suppose anyone would be willing to let me try out their Concourse for a few minutes?
May 14th 2017, 10:53 PM   #26
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  2014 FJR-ES
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjam97
I don't suppose anyone would be willing to let me try out their Concourse for a few minutes?
You can ride mine and with its upgraded suspension and Laam seat its probably the best 2010 C14 you can find......but its in Kennewick.
May 15th 2017, 08:44 AM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Washington

  07' Tuono, 08' GSXR 1K Track, 15' Kawi Concours
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjam97
I don't suppose anyone would be willing to let me try out their Concourse for a few minutes?
There are some used ones down at Skagit Powersports
May 15th 2017, 10:32 AM   #28
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  Mar 2016
  Redmond, WA

  Triumph Thunderbird 1600
Ride Motorsports in Woodinville has a used one (black, I believe) on the upper floor that I'm sure they'd let you try out. Ask for Bill...a great salesguy, low pressure and helpful.
May 16th 2017, 11:22 PM   #29
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  Apr 2016
  Port Orchard, Wa.

  2012 Honda CBR1000RR; 2013 Kawasaki Concours
Yup, I just bought one about a month ago. I ride a CBR1000rr, just sold my ZX14 and I love the Connie. Great bike very sporty handling. It took me a second to get used to the integrated braking, there are two different modes you can select as to how much braking force is applied when the system is activated, it comes on a little more abrupt then what my personal inputs are. I try to be as smooth as butter with all my input's and the integrated system will give you a bit of front end dive when it initially engages. Definitely not a deal breaker the bike is amazing.
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May 17th 2017, 10:42 AM   #30
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
Huh. I ride a C14 and a CBR as well. Mines a 97 900RR.

I don't even notice the brake linkage, but they reduced the link force on the 2015 bikes.



Edited by Sentinel on May 17th 2017 at 10:49 AM
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